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Peter McWilliams — RIP

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Randall Bart wrote: > Peter McWilliams is dead.  He was murdered June 14, 2000.  Peter was > murdered by US Judge George H King, Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey, > President Bill Clinton and every drug warrior who ever libeled medical > marijuana.

I’m very sorry for our loss. I corresponded with Peter McWilliams a few times, and I don’t know where my son would be had it not been for his information about St. John’s Wort. His help, his information, his book … meant a lot to my son’s prognosis. Both of my sons can spout information about the medical value of marijuana … information they have learned at school. Perhaps the efforts of Peter, Todd and others will eventually cause some change. I hope so. — BB2 Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://members.home.net/blessedby2

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> You say you draw the line as though a clear line can be drawn.  Can > it?  Where do you draw this line?

Frankly, Randall, I think cigarettes and booze are just as bad as the ‘others,’ if that’s what you mean. More people die or get killed from the affects of those two than any of the others annually, and it’s probably because they ARE legal. I don’t smoke, neither does my husband, but we do, from time to time, have a glass of wine. (Red wine has medicinal properties, and although I can’t drink more than 1/2 glass at a time, I admit I DO enjoy that half glass now and then. Until the headache the next day…sigh…) I have a stepson who is a long term, hard core drug user. I have seen what it has done to his and his family’s lives. He is currently 37, and in, yet another, drug rehabilitation program, once again enforced by the courts in the state in which he has been living the last few years. After, once again, getting out of jail a early to be remanded to it. It all started with a few hits on ‘weed’ when he was 16. He never stopped. Some people start on booze. Many others on cigarettes. Do I have a solution? Not really. Legalization? I suspect it’s inevitable. Psychotherapy? Medications to block the receptors in the brain? Both? I don’t know. All I know is this: I’ve seen my husband die a thousand deaths over the awful life his son has led, and still leads. I’ve seen him agonize that maybe, just maybe THIS time his son will last a week after THIS rehab, and manage to put his life together. IT hasn’t happened yet. The moment he leaves these places, he finds some character willing to sell him whatever he needs to kill himself, (which he’s almost done several times, and has managed to do to another, for which ONE of his incarcerations was the result). What’s the answer? People have always used mind altering drugs. They no doubt always will. How does one keep them from going TOO far? Is it biological? Perhaps, in part. But there IS a very large psychological component. And it doesn’t require a ‘bad homelife’ to cause it. My stepson had the best of everything, including parents. His father and mother were as ‘functional’ as you could get. Randall, there is no point in arguing this. There is NO easy solution. I do believe that people should be able to do what they want, and that includes killing themselves. I don’t have the  right to legislate behavior anymore than you do, to the extent that we attempt to do. But I cannot accept that legalization is going to ’solve’ the problem any more than it has for alcohol and cigarettes. If we do vote the issue, I would probably vote ‘yes’ for it, merely to remove the benefits the drug cartels have, and hopefully reduce some of the deaths due to ‘junk’ drugs, etc etc. But I wouldn’t expect that it would solve the problem of overuse, abuse, etc etc. It would just make it easier for those who do it, to do it. KAT In CT KAT in CT

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Randall Bart <Barti…@usa.spam.net> wrote in message

news:mq7mkscr99sasrqkrb445bcgq0p3qvucer@4ax.com… > Peter McWilliams is dead

Randall, I’m sorry for the loss of your friend. I don’t know how well you knew him personally, but even if you didn’t, you obviously cared a great deal about him. KAT in CT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Peter McWilliams is dead.  He was murdered June 14, 2000.  Peter was >murdered by US Judge George H King, Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey, >President Bill Clinton and every drug warrior who ever libeled medical >marijuana.   >Peter McWilliams choked on his own vomit.  If he had been able to >smoke marijuana that day, he would not have vomited.  If he hadn’t >been barred from smoking marijuana for over a year, he would have had >the strength to cough it up.  But after hundreds of days of torture >administered by Judge King, Peter was too weak and succumbed. >And on Terminal Island sits the next victim.  Every day Judge King >tortures Todd McCormick, by denying his medicine. >Someone let me know, is it okay to say "Nazi" yet?  When Todd dies can >I say "Nazi"?  How many must suffer, how many must die, before it is >okay for me to call drug warriors Nazis?

Peter, I know that there are several good uses for marijuana. I know that it helps cancer patients keep food down during their chemotherapy treatments.  It is good for people with aids and for people with glaucoma.  The Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper.  It is a source for both rope and cloth.  We could save a lot of trees if we used hemp instead of trees for making paper pulp.  It also does not contain tannic acid so it does not yellow with time. During WWII, my father had a farm.  Much of his cash crop was hemp.  It was then processed to make uniforms in Germany.  This is when the area was ruled my Nazis.  Nobody there smoked hemp leaves.  Also, they grew opium poppies for their poppy seed.  They ate the poppy seed in their strudle and other baked goods.  Nobody lanced the outer shell and harvested the opium.   The unfortunate problem is that Americans are constantly finding ways to turn on and drop out.  At one time, you could buy codine based cough syrup off the shelf at the drug store.  Since a lot of teens were buying it to get high, I now have to go to the doctor to get a codine persciption.  Ironically, the Nazi state and the countries that the Nazis occupied were encouraged to grow hemp(marijuana).

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On 18 Jun 2000 01:10:17 GMT, fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Peter McWilliams is dead.  He was murdered June 14, 2000.  Peter was >>murdered by US Judge George H King, Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey, >>President Bill Clinton and every drug warrior who ever libeled medical >>marijuana.   >>Peter McWilliams choked on his own vomit.  If he had been able to >>smoke marijuana that day, he would not have vomited.  If he hadn’t >>been barred from smoking marijuana for over a year, he would have had >>the strength to cough it up.  But after hundreds of days of torture >>administered by Judge King, Peter was too weak and succumbed. >>And on Terminal Island sits the next victim.  Every day Judge King >>tortures Todd McCormick, by denying his medicine. >>Someone let me know, is it okay to say "Nazi" yet?  When Todd dies can >>I say "Nazi"?  How many must suffer, how many must die, before it is >>okay for me to call drug warriors Nazis? >Peter, >I know that there are several good uses for marijuana. I know that it helps >cancer patients keep food down during their chemotherapy treatments.  It is >good for people with aids and for people with glaucoma.  The Declaration of >Independence was written on hemp paper.  It is a source for both rope and >cloth.  We could save a lot of trees if we used hemp instead of trees for >making paper pulp.  It also does not contain tannic acid so it does not yellow >with time. >During WWII, my father had a farm.  Much of his cash crop was hemp.  It was >then processed to make uniforms in Germany.  This is when the area was ruled my >Nazis.  Nobody there smoked hemp leaves.  Also, they grew opium poppies for >their poppy seed.  They ate the poppy seed in their strudle and other baked >goods.  Nobody lanced the outer shell and harvested the opium.   >The unfortunate problem is that Americans are constantly finding ways to turn >on and drop out.  At one time, you could buy codine based cough syrup off the >shelf at the drug store.  Since a lot of teens were buying it to get high, I >now have to go to the doctor to get a codine persciption.

Actually, you can extract it using a few simple processes from off the shelf ibuprofen, which i now see on the shelf called triprofen. For opium seeds you can buy at the supermarket, you have to get a heap of them and then soak them in water for, i think it’s 15 minutes, otherwise you get other unwanted toxins being leeched out. Then you just reduce this liquid. The damn idiot enforcers just make the ‘getting the drug out of the chemist shop and into a pure, digestible form’ processes longer and more harmful for the DIY chemist. Look around the web for a bit:  you can even make your own MDMA at home if you’re just motivated enough. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  Ironically, the Nazi >state and the countries that the Nazis occupied were encouraged to grow >hemp(marijuana).

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  And we are scared.  "They" > say marijuana makes people paranoid.  If medical marijuana users are > scared, is that paranoia?

I’ve always said that I believe that people should have the right to use whatever they require for truly medical reasons. I also believe in the ‘right to die,’ as long as there are controls in place to prevent misuse of these things. I draw the line at recreational pharmaceuticals, however. KAT  in CT

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:44:51 GMT, Randall Bart <Barti…@usa.spam.net> wrote: >Some of my friends are sad.  Some of my friends are crying.  Some of >us are not sad; but all of us are angry.  And we are scared.  "They" >say marijuana makes people paranoid.  If medical marijuana users are >scared, is that paranoia?

Have you ever tried fly agaric, the mushroom?

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‘Twas Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:08:53 -0400  when the wise and venerated "KATHRYN A TAUBERT" <KATAUB…@prodigy.net> enlightened alt.support.tourette with these thought provoking words: >I draw the line at recreational pharmaceuticals, however.

I said I didn’t want to debate the drug war here, and I won’t.  I will only give you a few things to think about. You say you draw the line as though a clear line can be drawn.  Can it?  Where do you draw this line? I recall my elementary school teachers telling me the difference between American Freedom and Russian Communism.  They told me that in Russia children are told to turn their parents in to the police, but American children don’t turn in their children.  I was taught that in Russia people can get long prison terms based on oppressive laws or technical violations; but in America the jury can always find a defendant not guilty regardless of the letter of the law, and that judges could always reduce or suspend a sentence in the interest of justice.  I was taught that in Russia a person might be imprisoned for years without trial, but in America we had the right to a speedy trial.  I was taught that in Russia a person could be convicted in a fallacious trial, and then was stuck, but in America we always had the right to appeal. Then there was Drug War. Linda Sue Martin’s daughter discovered a crack pipe among her mother’s things.  DARE had led her to believe that this meant was in serious danger of dying or turning violent, so she took her mother’s crack pipe to the school counselor and asked for help.  The police immediately arrested Linda Sue Martin and searched the house, discovering some marijuana smoking paraphernalia.  Because the smoking of crack involves converting the drug from one form to another, so the Medina Ohio prosecutor charged her with manufacture of drugs, threatening her with many years in prison, even though they knew she had only used the pipe to smoke crack herself (and only a few times). Because she "cooperated" and pled guilty to attempted manufacture of drugs, she is only doing one year. In America she would have had the right to a trial, and the right to argue that the manufacture charge was just a technicality.  But she told she would not be allowed to argue her case, and that she would do many years in prison if she went to trial.   So KAT, do you support the right to a trial?  When you draw the line, do you not support recreational drug users right to trial? In the 1970s most of the people arrested and convicted for drugs were low level dealers.  Then the drug warriors passed laws designed to get at the "kingpins".  The idea was to threaten dealers with long terms, then give them short or suspended sentences if they rat out the kingpin.  Let me tell you about a "kingpin". In 1981 (long before I knew him), my friend Lee used cocaine.  He would go to a particular drug house once or twice a week to buy a single hit.  There were four people who lived/worked in that drug house.  They had all agreed that if they were busted they would roll on Lee.  They were; they did. Lee had a job, and could support himself, but he had no savings.  His parents had no money either.  Bail was set in the millions, based on the value of he drugs that had been sold in that house.  Lee was stuck in jail, in the hands of a public defender, who had little time for the case, no budget to investigate, and who was sure that Lee was guilty.  The PD kept trying to get Lee to roll on the people above him.  The prosecutor kept asking for continuances to further investigate the case, and the PD kept agreeing.  The further investigation was in trying to get Lee to roll on the higher ups. They weren’t asking the four dealers for more info, because they believed their story that Lee was their only supplier. One day, Attorney General (later Governor) George Deukmajian came to Lee’s cell.  He offered to let Lee go.  He said he understood why Lee was afraid of ratting out the higher ups.  He said if Lee would just tell him where the plane and the boat were, they would pretend to just find them, and trace the higher ups from the physical evidence.  Duke knew there was a plane and a boat, because all four of the dealers had "heard" Lee brag about them. If Lee had been guilty, he could have gotten out.  Because he was innocent, he stayed in jail. Jail is (or used to be) a lot worse than prison.  There’s nothing to do in jail, while prisons have (or had) some recreational and training facilities.  After Lee had spent more than a year in jail, and his attorney had agreed to another continuance, Lee gave in and pled guilty to a charge with a four year sentence, and served three more years in prison. Lee was lucky.  The prison terms are several times larger now. In America, Lee would have gotten a speedy trial.  In America, no one would be asked to believe a witness who was threatened with years in prison if he didn’t stick to his story. So KAT, do you mean that it’s too bad the system is set up to frame people like Lee, but since he was a recreational drug user you draw the line? In America, everyone had a right to a fair trial.  Everyone had the right to file a writ of Habeas Corpus, challenging that the court to prove that it has obeyed its own rules.  Since only a fascist would say that finding an innocent person guilty was a fair trial, every innocent convict had the right to appeal via writ of Habeas Corpus. There are now tens of thousands of convicts who have been told they have no more appeals. In Illinois, a judge was convicted of taking bribes to let off hundreds of defendants.  But over the years, he had convicted the same percentage of drug defendants as the judges who didn’t take bribes. The only way he could have done this was to find hundreds of defendants guilty whom he would otherwise find not guilty. The appeals court ruled that since this issue could cast doubt on thousands of cases, and thousands of new trials would be expensive, the corrupt judges convictions stand. So KAT, where do you draw the line? (I am done with this issue.  You can have the last word.) — RB |  

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