marijuana
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Eric Weinberg (a0020…@BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US) wrote:
: I think I am moving to Jamaica!!!! Really though. Does anyone know : about the Thc that IS available by presciption???? Comes in pill form and is not very effective for folks with digetive problems. Bill in New Mexico
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ktu…@interramp.com wrote:
: I recommend the prescription of the pure oral form of THC for : these approved clinical indications over inhaling the toxic : carcinogenic components of marijuana smoke.>> : Has anyone tried these pills? Or know what Tashkin means by : reasonably safe (side effects?)? I don’t use either form. What bothers me is the US government in all their infinet wisdom has decided that THC pills are the answer for folks that can’t keep food down while undergoing Chemo. Seems to me a nasal spray or inhalent form would be more appropriate. : [In my first attempt at this post, excerpts from 2 others : from this thread, Margret's and someone else's, were : quoted at outset but I've lost them. Sorry] Quirks of the internet. You are getting through so don’t worry. Bill in New Mexico
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Eric: Moving to Jamaica, a great idea. Take me along. Not because of the Ganja though. While it’s great for a time or two, it doesn’t pay to numb your mind in the long run. Besides, you don’t have to move to Jamaica for this. I hear that the local Highschool schoolyards are very well equipped. As far as I know, Marijuana is available on prescription for severe cases of glaucoma only. But, I could be wrong. In Holland it is legal and you can buy it in certain local so-called coffee shops in Amsterdam. Seriously though, please try and handle your problems in another way before you resort to this stuff on a regular basis. We’re here to help. Margret
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On Fri, 09 Feb 1996, Margret Schuman <MSCHU…@WORLDBANK.ORG> said > After the smoke, I could laugh to no extend. I know that running > around high is not the solution and I do not want to do that. > However, obviously, there is something in the stuff which > inhibits this faulty nerve-transmission to the brain. > Definately, there should be more research. > Margret
I am aware of a clinical trial and research project commencing in 1994 under the auspices of "The Scottish-American Research Group on the Pharmacotherapy of Cannabis" and coordinated by the Biomedical Sciences Depts of the Universities of Aberdeen, Arizona and Vermont. Has anyone got more info and an update on this project? BTW, John, to my regret, my consultant did not allow me to have nabilone when I asked him about it last year! And I don’t expect to sneak it through my GP either. John Finch Alcester Warwickshire England millersco…@delphi.com
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Question: Is nabilone in the same form as dronabinol, and/or any other capsules of TCP? I ask because: Sitting in the doc’s waiting room today, I spied among the Xeroxed tearsheets of his and his colleagues’ writings, a letter to the editor (new york times, March 18, 1994) from UCLA professor of medicine Donald P. Tashkin who writes 5 paragraphs about the health risks and other hazards of marijuana smoke and smoking, and ends with this: << The principal active ingredient in marijuana, THC, is available in synthetic form as a capsule for oral use (dronabinol). It has been proved effective and reasonably safe in double-blind, placebo-controlled studies for treatment of nausea and vomiting from cancer chemotherapy and for appetite stimulation in anorectic patients with AIDS. I recommend the prescription of the pure oral form of THC for these approved clinical indications over inhaling the tpxic, carcinogenic components of marijuana smoke.>> If anyone has experience with this, how do the effects compare? Any idea what Tashkin means by reasonably safe? Kate <ktu…@interramp.com> In article <01I137WGFQ429EF…@delphi.com>, <MILLERSCO…@DELPHI.COM> writes: > On Fri, 09 Feb 1996, Margret Schuman <MSCHU…@WORLDBANK.ORG> said
<snip> obviously, there is something in the stuff which
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > inhibits this faulty nerve-transmission to the brain.
> > Definately, there should be more research.
> > Margret
> I am aware of a clinical trial and research project commencing in 1994 under
> the auspices of "The Scottish-American Research Group on the Pharmacotherapy
> of Cannabis" and coordinated by the Biomedical Sciences Depts of the
> Universities of Aberdeen, Arizona and Vermont.
> Has anyone got more info and an update on this project?
> BTW, John, to my regret, my consultant did not allow me to have nabilone
> when I asked him about it last year! And I don’t expect to sneak it through
> my GP either.
> John Finch
> Alcester Warwickshire England
> millersco…@delphi.com
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In article <NEWTNews.27689.824166069.ktu…@interramp.com>, I wrote the following, which apparently cut out midstream. The rest follows. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Question: Is nabilone in the same form as > dronabinol, and/or any other capsules of TCP?
> I ask because:
> Sitting in the doc’s waiting room today, I spied > among the Xeroxed tearsheets of his and his colleagues’ > writings, a letter to the editor (new york times,
> March 18, 1994)
> from UCLA professor of medicine Donald P. Tashkin
> who writes 5 paragraphs about the health risks and
> other hazards of marijuana smoke and smoking,
> and ends with this:
> << The principal active ingredient in marijuana, THC,
> is available in synthetic form as a capsule for oral use
> (dronabinol). It has been proved effective and reasonably
> safe in double-blind, placebo-controlled studies for > treatment of nausea and vomiting from cancer chemotherapy
> and for appetite stimulation in anorectic patients with AIDS.
I recommend the prescription of the pure oral form of THC for these approved clinical indications over inhaling the toxic carcinogenic components of marijuana smoke.>> Has anyone tried these pills? Or know what Tashkin means by reasonably safe (side effects?)? [In my first attempt at this post, excerpts from 2 others from this thread, Margret's and someone else's, were quoted at outset but I've lost them. Sorry] Maybe M Watkins’s ask MDs would pick up on this? Kate <ktu…@interramp.com>
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BTW: Marijuana was a vibrant thread a year ago.There were a few active proponents and about as many opponents. Gerry Gerald Gold email: ge…@yorku.ca Department of Anthropology telephone (h) 416-225-8760 York University (w) 416-736-5261 (77781) North York, Ont. M3J 1P3 Canada
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Everyone, On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Gerry Gold wrote: > BTW: > Marijuana was a vibrant thread a year ago.There were > a few active proponents and about as many opponents. Gerry
I understand the negative effects of smoking, but why else would anyone here be opposed to legalizing it for medicinal purposes as it has definitely been shown to be more effective than the other mass of "remedies"and such we all get exposed to and probably is LESS carcinogenic Eric Eric Weinberg a0020…@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
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In article: <v01510100ad3d9544b545@[204.191.197.52]> Bob Davidson <s…@UNISERVE.COM> writes: > if the drug(thc) helps in any way alleviate any symptom of ms in my > opinion,it should be prescibed,morphine comes from opium poppy,can’t make > clothes out of it
It’s prescribable in the UK for MS. It’s called Nabilone…hah, hah, giggle. True, go and ask your quack for a week’s test. — John He’s dead Jim…you get his watch, I’ll get his wallet.
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In article <Pine.3.89.9602071459.C2312-0100…@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>, a0020…@BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Everyone, >On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Gerry Gold wrote: >> BTW: >> Marijuana was a vibrant thread a year ago.There were >> a few active proponents and about as many opponents. Gerry >I understand the negative effects of smoking, but why else would anyone >here be opposed to legalizing it for medicinal purposes as it has >definitely been shown to be more effective than the other mass of >"remedies"and such we all get exposed to and probably is LESS carcinogenic >Eric >Eric Weinberg >a0020…@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
Hi all. About this marijuana discussion, I think the Supreme Court shot the notion of medicial value in 1989, or close to it. It’s a shame because mt doctor tried to prescribe it for me 3 years ago. It does have value for some spasms and give one a euphoric mood, eg. helps with depression for at least an evening. Well, maybe someday…
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Margret: Jamaica .. Marijuana, I think, is used (for pain?) by terminal cancer patients. However, over here it is unavailable, freely, from pharacists etc. I seem to remember that Tom once considered growing some. I had a paratransit driver who is committed to Jamaican Ganja. Gerry (Sorry if my mailer is not well-behaved]. Gerald Gold email: ge…@yorku.ca Department of Anthropology telephone (h) 416-225-8760 York University (w) 416-736-5261 (77781) North York, Ont. M3J 1P3 Canada
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All, On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Gerry Gold wrote: > Margret: > Jamaica .. > Marijuana, I think, is used (for pain?) by terminal cancer > patients. However, over here it is unavailable, freely, from > pharacists etc.
I think I am moving to Jamaica!!!! Really though. Does anyone know about the Thc that IS available by presciption???? Strawberries, Watermelon & Lollipops (and hugs, smiles and sunshine) Eric Eric Weinberg a0020…@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
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In <19960209.230005.118097.NETN…@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Margret Schuman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<MSCHU…@WORLDBANK.ORG> writes: > Eric: > Moving to Jamaica, a great idea. Take me along. Not because of > the Ganja though. While it’s great for a time or two, it doesn’t > pay to numb your mind in the long run. Besides, you don’t have > to move to Jamaica for this. I hear that the local Highschool > schoolyards are very well equipped. > As far as I know, Marijuana is available on prescription for > severe cases of glaucoma only. But, I could be wrong. > In Holland it is legal and you can buy it in certain local > so-called coffee shops in Amsterdam. > Seriously though, please try and handle your problems in another > way before you resort to this stuff on a regular basis. > We’re here to help. > Margret
Eric, The use of Marijuana is only good if you are in a healthy Mental Condition ie. You are not Depressed. If you use it while in a Depressed state you will only make things worse for yourself. Get over the depression before you attempt to use Marijuana, either by getting a prescription for anti-depressants and/or going to see a Chronic Illness Psychologist. Claude pla…@ix.netcom.com
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Gerry: Sorry to post this on the List, but I tried to contact you by E-mail directly and my messages keep bouncing back as "undeliverable". I want to ask your opinion on the peptide research. I also saw that you are considering steroid or more exactly the pulse therapy on a regular basis. Be careful on this. Too much it can cause other severe problems. Hope you’re well. Margret
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The thing is I don’t do that anymore. It is a standing joke among my friends, (MOST), of who used to smoke pot that soon it will be legal to help treat MS and I will be able to get a three month supply for ten dollars. The truth is I think I a m being selfish. I do believe that if it was legal that I would be the first on line. (No pun intended.) But they keep asking me what good it does for MS and I don’t think I have enough of an answer. I know it would help my appetite. Leg cramps? Not sure. Other things? What other things? As I said if I could, I would get high tomorrow. But I can’t, really. I mean I have three kids. It just would not be "respectable". I really want to know, What good does it do for MS? Maybe some of my friends here who smoke it can tell me. I always feel like I don’t know what to say, when my friends say, "why? what good will it do?" Regards and a double helping of strawberries for all who respond….. Eric Eric Weinberg a0020…@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
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Eric, It sounds like you are making the right choice to avoid pot, especially for the sake of your kids. There are a lot of other choices of meds. I have just spent the past two months out of work because of an attack of ms. I have gained 6 pounds and am always hungry so I have the opposite problem. The hunger is caused by taking Elavil. I take it as an anti-depres. and for pain but it really makes me hungry. Kathy G.
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Kathy G. wrote: > Eric, > It sounds like you are making the right choice to avoid pot, especially for > the sake of your kids. There are a lot of other choices of meds. > I have just spent the past two months out of work because of an attack of ms. > I have gained 6 pounds and am always hungry so I have the opposite problem. > The hunger is caused by taking Elavil. I take it as an anti-depres. and for > pain but it really makes me hungry. > Kathy G.
Kathy: You feel it is the Elavil causing the munchies? I was told it was my Baclofen making me a choc-o-holic. MoJo
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In a message dated 97-02-26 20:47:37 EST, osnodgr…@mo-net.com (Joan Snodgrass) writes:
<< You feel it is the Elavil causing the munchies? I was told it was my Baclofen making me a choc-o-holic. >> Yes, definately, and my doctor confirmed it is a problem for some. If I stop taking it for a week or so the hunger pains go away for awhile. Kathy G.
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On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:18:59 -0500, Eric Weinberg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a0020…@BC.SEFLIN.ORG> wrote: >The thing is I don’t do that anymore. It is a standing joke among my >friends, (MOST), of who used to smoke pot that soon it will be legal to >help treat MS and I will be able to get a three month supply for ten >dollars. The truth is I think I a m being selfish. >I do believe that if it was legal that I would be the first on line. (No >pun intended.) But they keep asking me what good it does for MS and I >don’t think I have enough of an answer. I know it would help my >appetite. Leg cramps? Not sure. Other things? What other things? >As I said if I could, I would get high tomorrow. But I can’t, really. I >mean I have three kids. It just would not be "respectable". >I really want to know, What good does it do for MS? >Maybe some of my friends here who smoke it can tell me. I always feel >like I don’t know what to say, when my friends say, "why? what good will >it do?" >Regards and a double helping of strawberries for all who respond….. >Eric
I can’t say that marijuana works for every case of MS, I only know that 5 years ago at an MS group (not my usual) I met several women in their 60’s who have had MS most of their adult lives, and smoked it everyday. They were quite interested when I told them that I had some written medical studies on the effect of mar. on MS. I used to smoke it myself about 4 years ago and was amazed at the effect it had. I must walk with a cane, my left side is very weak and uncoordinated and my left ankle has a tendency to turn over and play dead-so I wear an AFO. I have balance problems and hand tremors. After smoking a joint, I was able to RUN in my apartment (barefoot and with no AFO), and had no visible hand tremor. I doubt if I was ready for the Boston Marathon, but it had been 4 years since I had even attempted to run, or been able to move my legs at the speed required to do so. I have several detailed medical studies on marijuana’s effects on MS, but I am posting only the first page of the most dramatic, which most closely paralleled my own experience. I can’t post the 2nd page as it contains a lot of graphs and drawings of EMG waves, and the third page frankly contains a lot of medical terms which I find somewhat difficult to decipher (I’m not a doctor, but I play one on TV!) But anyway, here is the first page. ]]]]] Journal of Neurology Springer-Verlag 1989 Effect of cannabinoids on spasticity and ataxia in multiple sclerosis* H.-M. Meinck, P. W. Schiinle. and B. Conrad Department of Clinical Neurophysiology, University of Gottingen, Federal Republic of Germany Summary. The chronic motor handicaps of a 30-vear-old multiple sclerosis patient acutelv improved while he smoked a marihuana cigarette. This effect was quantitatively assessed by means of clinical rating, electromyographic investigation of the leg flexor reflexes and electromagnetic recording of the hand action tremor. It is concluded that cannabinoids may have powerful beneficial effects on both spasticitv and ataxia that warrant farther evaluation. Introduction This study was prompted bv a young man with multiple sclerosis (MS) who used marihuana as a remedy for his various motor, micturition and sexual handicaps. After smoking a marihuana cigarette on the ward, he clinically improved. He agreed to the beneficial effects of marihuana being investigated bv means of quantitative clinical and electrophysiological assessment. Case report This male patient, born in 1955, has had MS since 1983. At the time of our experiments he was bound to a wheelchair because of severe limb and gait ataxia and spastic tetraparesis. After micturition, his residual urine volume was 100-150ml. He complained of impotence, with erections lasting less than 5 min and lacking ejaculation. He tried a marihuana cigarette in about 1984 and noted an instantaneous improvement of his motor and sexual functions lasting for several davs. Since then, he regularly took some marihuana biscuits each week, which enabled him to climb stairs, to walk on even ground. and to have erections for more than 30 min, allowing him a quite satisfactory sexual life. \\\\ My purpose in posting this is to show that there have been medical studies undertaken which show beneficial effects of marijuana on MS, especially for spaticity and ataxia. Marinol, or synthetic marijuana is very expensive, and it’s hard to find a pharmacy which can fill the RX. I believe it’s most often prescribed for nausea accompanying chemo for cancer patients, but I ‘m told doesn’t work as well as marijuana. w…@enteract.com
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