From corticosteroids to homeopathy ?
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>Homeopathy also violates known laws of chemistry and biology. >A reporter from the magazine "U.S. News & World Report" asked the CEO of >Boiron, a company that markets homeopathic remedies, whether the >homeopathic drug was safe. The CEO replied, "Of course it’s safe. >There’s nothing in it."
Well, since Homeopathy and Allergy Shots basically work on the same premise how can ONE work and Not the other? — My Personal Site http://mywebpages.comcast.net/preesi/Begin.html (Hear me Bitch, Moan and Complain, Cook One of My Recipes, Play One of My Games, Peruse My Links THEN, Sign My Guestbook Dagnammit! LOL) What Is Really Eating You? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/preesi/BDA.htm (My Before, During and After Pics.) Where I Go For Fun and Friendship: http://www.paltalk.com (Find Flirts R Us! I’m usually there!)
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"Preesi" <pre…@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:LR2dnY7Jgcd4ElqjXTWcqQ@comcast.com… > Well, since Homeopathy and Allergy Shots basically work on the same premise > how can ONE work and Not the other?
They DO NOT work on the same premise. The amount of the substance in a homeopathic substance is usually so small, that less than a molecule of the substance exists. In fact, that’s normally considered that the substance doesn’t exist any more in the preparation. But somehow, it’s supposed to leave some kind of spiritual imprint on the sugar pill. I don’t believe that’s the case at all with allergy shots. Actually, I have tried both (homeopathy and allergy shots), and neither has worked for me.
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>I have been using a Beclomethasone spray for about two and a half >years now
I think that has much higher systemic absorption that Nasonex (or even Flonase). >. There have been months when I’ve stopped and now I just do >two sprays in each nostril in the morning (and not in the morning and >night, which I did for the first few months after starting treatment). >My sinus problems have all but disappeared as a result of the >treatment, and I have only noticed occasional side effects such as >minor bleeding. (I am also more restless at bedtime and have >irritation and pain in my eyes more often, but I don’t know if this is >linked to the nasal spray). My sinus problems return within a few >weeks when I stop treatment. >Nonetheless, logic tells me that into the long term (and 2.5 years is >getting to be long term) the use of corticosteroids — however >localized and however small the dose — cannot be a good thing.
Inhaled steroids can have effects. Nasal sprays not, the studies say. http://www.allergyweb.com/glaucoma-md.asp http://www.whale.to/drugs/steroids1.html >A relative has been strongly encouraging me to look into homeopathy.
There is no evidence to support its being effective.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: > >I have been using a Beclomethasone spray for about two and a half > >years now > I think that has much higher systemic absorption that Nasonex (or even > Flonase). > >. There have been months when I’ve stopped and now I just do > >two sprays in each nostril in the morning (and not in the morning and > >night, which I did for the first few months after starting treatment). > >My sinus problems have all but disappeared as a result of the > >treatment, and I have only noticed occasional side effects such as > >minor bleeding. (I am also more restless at bedtime and have > >irritation and pain in my eyes more often, but I don’t know if this is > >linked to the nasal spray). My sinus problems return within a few > >weeks when I stop treatment. > >Nonetheless, logic tells me that into the long term (and 2.5 years is > >getting to be long term) the use of corticosteroids — however > >localized and however small the dose — cannot be a good thing. > Inhaled steroids can have effects. Nasal sprays not, the studies say. > http://www.allergyweb.com/glaucoma-md.asp > http://www.whale.to/drugs/steroids1.html > >A relative has been strongly encouraging me to look into homeopathy. > There is no evidence to support its being effective.
Homeopathy also violates known laws of chemistry and biology. A reporter from the magazine "U.S. News & World Report" asked the CEO of Boiron, a company that markets homeopathic remedies, whether the homeopathic drug was safe. The CEO replied, "Of course it’s safe. There’s nothing in it." — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 09:00:12 -0700, " MS" <m…@nospam.com> wrote: >Are you using Nasonex? Do you find it effective? When I tried Nasonex, it >didn’t seem to be very effective.(Often hard to tell though, as there are so >many variables.) Perhaps in trying so hard to make it have less systemic >absorption, it actually has less topical absorption as well, and has less >effect. Just speculating, because it didn’t seem to be a very effective one >for me.
For me personally, I am using it and I do think it works well. I think I like it best of them all. I think it may take a while to have an effect though… I found Flonase irritating. Nasarel also worked but has higher absorption. Rhinocort Aqua was very staining (bright color) if it got on anything,, as I recall… Don
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"Don Brady" <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:uhthdvo24krkm2ucd4er49e28eiofsm3cr@4ax.com… > But do we have any real evidence as to whether a significant percentage of > users suffer irritation form the preservative? Or is "no preservative" mainly > a gimmick.
I don’t know. Probably not a "significant percentage", or they wouldn’t be using it in most nasal spray solutions. That said, if they can make an aqueous pump with which the solution cannot become contaminated (as the other writer wrote was the case with Rhinocort Aqua), I don’t know why they don’t all use such a bottle for their aqueous formulations. If the preservative is irritating to anyone, and they can make the product just as contamination-free without it, by a different bottle, I don’t understand why they don’t all do it. > Personally I think I might prefer the lower systemic steroid absorption that > Nasonex offers, unless I noticed irritation from the preservative.
Are you using Nasonex? Do you find it effective? When I tried Nasonex, it didn’t seem to be very effective.(Often hard to tell though, as there are so many variables.) Perhaps in trying so hard to make it have less systemic absorption, it actually has less topical absorption as well, and has less effect. Just speculating, because it didn’t seem to be a very effective one for me.
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> I wonder how they prevent contamination in an aqueous cortisone spray such > as Rhinocort Aqua. Is there more chance of contamination and infection from > these?
It’s the special container, the tip only squirts OUT, it never sucks IN. The air intake is under the plastic sprayer tip! So it never comes in contact with the nose or contaminants!
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On Sat, 31 May 2003 09:41:47 -0700, " MS" <m…@nospam.com> wrote: >Don’t Nasonex and Flonase contain preservatives? I thought Rhinocort Aqua >was the only aqueous type without preservatives.
I checked for Nasonex and you are correct. But do we have any real evidence as to whether a significant percentage of users suffer irritation form the preservative? Or is "no preservative" mainly a gimmick. Personally I think I might prefer the lower systemic steroid absorption that Nasonex offers, unless I noticed irritation from the preservative. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The aerosol types don’t have preservatives (not many left available though, >perhaps only Nasacort Inhaler), as I guess the stuff doesn’t get >contaminated in a pressurized aerosol can. >I wonder how they prevent contamination in an aqueous cortisone spray such >as Rhinocort Aqua. Is there more chance of contamination and infection from >these?
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"Don Brady" <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:gn56cvkl3l3gv2nut48g88v7ld75fg7qvo@4ax.com… > On 14 May 2003 18:20:50 -0700, zenz…@sympatico.ca (Nathan Morrow) wrote: > >Thanks for your comments. I found the FAQ. Am I right to conclude > >that, at the very least, I should switch my nasal spray from > >Beclomethasone to Rhinocort Aqua? Apparently it has no alcohol and no > >benzalkonium chloride. > or Nasonex or Flonase.
Don’t Nasonex and Flonase contain preservatives? I thought Rhinocort Aqua was the only aqueous type without preservatives. The aerosol types don’t have preservatives (not many left available though, perhaps only Nasacort Inhaler), as I guess the stuff doesn’t get contaminated in a pressurized aerosol can. I wonder how they prevent contamination in an aqueous cortisone spray such as Rhinocort Aqua. Is there more chance of contamination and infection from these?
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"Preesi" <pre…@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2yCdnf6Db5xob1qjXTWcow@comcast.com… > >They DO NOT work on the same premise. The amount of the substance in a > >homeopathic > Homeopathy: n > A system for treating disease based on the administration of minute doses of > a drug that in massive amounts produces symptoms in healthy individuals > similar to those of the disease itself. substance is usually so small. > It’s the same premise as Allergy Shots! My mother (Unfortunately) is getting > her CNHP Certification!
It is not the same premise! The amount of active substance in a homeopathic med is infinitesimal, sub-molecular. Certainly not the case with allergy injections.
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Preesi wrote: > >Homeopathy also violates known laws of chemistry and biology. > >A reporter from the magazine "U.S. News & World Report" asked the CEO of > >Boiron, a company that markets homeopathic remedies, whether the > >homeopathic drug was safe. The CEO replied, "Of course it’s safe. > >There’s nothing in it." > Well, since Homeopathy and Allergy Shots basically work on the same premise > how can ONE work and Not the other?
They do NOT work on the same premise. Because most ailments that homeopathy claims to be effective against, are not allergic reactions. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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>They DO NOT work on the same premise. The amount of the substance in a >homeopathic
Homeopathy: n A system for treating disease based on the administration of minute doses of a drug that in massive amounts produces symptoms in healthy individuals similar to those of the disease itself. substance is usually so small. It’s the same premise as Allergy Shots! My mother (Unfortunately) is getting her CNHP Certification! >Actually, I have tried both (homeopathy and allergy shots), and neither has >worked for me.
I don’t have too much faith in the Natural Health field! If it worked then why didn’t we stick to it instead of developing Mainstream Meds? I knew of one CNHPractitioner who treated her sons ear infection with a garlic enema! And it always seems as if these people are always sick!! Just go to a real doctor! — My Personal Site http://mywebpages.comcast.net/preesi/Begin.html (Hear me Bitch, Moan and Complain, Cook One of My Recipes, Play One of My Games, Peruse My Links THEN, Sign My Guestbook Dagnammit! LOL) What Is Really Eating You? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/preesi/BDA.htm (My Before, During and After Pics.) Where I Go For Fun and Friendship: http://www.paltalk.com (Find Flirts R Us! I’m usually there!)
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On Thu, 15 May 2003 23:54:23 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlink.net> wrote: >But in order for the placebo effect to work, don’t you have to believe >that the "medication" is effective?
I do not know – you could be right. Maybe "hope" is enough. >When you used a homeopathic drug, did you know at that time that >homeopathy is just a big fake?
I had doubts about it but it seemed to work. Other things did not. The alternative is that it really did work. >I also wonder if the "placebo effect" works in reverse. How about this >experiment: >Administer a prescription drug to a patient but tell him that it’s only >a sugar pill. Would it still be as effective?
Very interesting question….
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On 14 May 2003 18:20:50 -0700, zenz…@sympatico.ca (Nathan Morrow) wrote: >Thanks for your comments. I found the FAQ. Am I right to conclude >that, at the very least, I should switch my nasal spray from >Beclomethasone to Rhinocort Aqua? Apparently it has no alcohol and no >benzalkonium chloride.
or Nasonex or Flonase. Ask your pharmacist and doctor for their recommendatons too. >What was the point about "higher systemic absorption"? Does this make >Beclomethasone more likely to cause long-term side effects?
I think so. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m going to start homeopathy and "irrigation" soon. No harm in >trying… >Nathan Morrow >Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 00:45:02 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >Homeopathy also violates known laws of chemistry and biology. > >A reporter from the magazine "U.S. News & World Report" asked the CEO of > >Boiron, a company that markets homeopathic remedies, whether the > >homeopathic drug was safe. The CEO replied, "Of course it’s safe. > >There’s nothing in it." > Of course, since it is that safe, it could be worth trying as it would be an > excellent vehicle if one were looking to get the often extraordinarily-powerful > results of the Placebo Effect. > I myself have had excellent results from another problem I had at one time, > using a homeopathic drug. Quite frankly, it was almost a life-safer. The > placebo effect can be very useful when you need it.
But in order for the placebo effect to work, don’t you have to believe that the "medication" is effective? When you used a homeopathic drug, did you know at that time that homeopathy is just a big fake? I also wonder if the "placebo effect" works in reverse. How about this experiment: Administer a prescription drug to a patient but tell him that it’s only a sugar pill. Would it still be as effective? — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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Rhinocort kicks a** Use it and be happy. I don’t know anything about Beclomethasone. But, when people speak of systemic absorbtion, they are refering to total body absorbtion. In other words, the drug gets everywhere in your body. This typically raises the risks of long term side effects. For example, long term use of oral prednisone sometimes results in bone injury, espcially hip problems. Short term use is generally no problem, although some would argue this point. Here’s a tip. Irrigate 20 minutes before you use the Rhinocort. Your passages will be clearer, and the drug will penetrate farther, resulting in better performance. Irrigation does not belong under the topic of homeopathic medicine. Irrigation works. -O "Nathan Morrow" <zenz…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:c4bd1028.0305141720.3ca77953@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for your comments. I found the FAQ. Am I right to conclude > that, at the very least, I should switch my nasal spray from > Beclomethasone to Rhinocort Aqua? Apparently it has no alcohol and no > benzalkonium chloride. > What was the point about "higher systemic absorption"? Does this make > Beclomethasone more likely to cause long-term side effects? > I’m going to start homeopathy and "irrigation" soon. No harm in > trying… > Nathan Morrow > Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Thanks for your comments. I found the FAQ. Am I right to conclude that, at the very least, I should switch my nasal spray from Beclomethasone to Rhinocort Aqua? Apparently it has no alcohol and no benzalkonium chloride. What was the point about "higher systemic absorption"? Does this make Beclomethasone more likely to cause long-term side effects? I’m going to start homeopathy and "irrigation" soon. No harm in trying… Nathan Morrow Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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LOL "Steven Litvintchouk" <sdlit…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3EC191DA.C097206B@earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Don Brady wrote: > > >I have been using a Beclomethasone spray for about two and a half > > >years now > > I think that has much higher systemic absorption that Nasonex (or even > > Flonase). > > >. There have been months when I’ve stopped and now I just do > > >two sprays in each nostril in the morning (and not in the morning and > > >night, which I did for the first few months after starting treatment). > > >My sinus problems have all but disappeared as a result of the > > >treatment, and I have only noticed occasional side effects such as > > >minor bleeding. (I am also more restless at bedtime and have > > >irritation and pain in my eyes more often, but I don’t know if this is > > >linked to the nasal spray). My sinus problems return within a few > > >weeks when I stop treatment. > > >Nonetheless, logic tells me that into the long term (and 2.5 years is > > >getting to be long term) the use of corticosteroids — however > > >localized and however small the dose — cannot be a good thing. > > Inhaled steroids can have effects. Nasal sprays not, the studies say. > > http://www.allergyweb.com/glaucoma-md.asp > > http://www.whale.to/drugs/steroids1.html > > >A relative has been strongly encouraging me to look into homeopathy. > > There is no evidence to support its being effective. > Homeopathy also violates known laws of chemistry and biology. > A reporter from the magazine "U.S. News & World Report" asked the CEO of > Boiron, a company that markets homeopathic remedies, whether the > homeopathic drug was safe. The CEO replied, "Of course it’s safe. > There’s nothing in it." > — > Steven D. Litvintchouk > Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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On Wed, 14 May 2003 00:45:02 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlink.net> wrote: >Homeopathy also violates known laws of chemistry and biology. >A reporter from the magazine "U.S. News & World Report" asked the CEO of >Boiron, a company that markets homeopathic remedies, whether the >homeopathic drug was safe. The CEO replied, "Of course it’s safe. >There’s nothing in it."
Of course, since it is that safe, it could be worth trying as it would be an excellent vehicle if one were looking to get the often extraordinarily-powerful results of the Placebo Effect. I myself have had excellent results from another problem I had at one time, using a homeopathic drug. Quite frankly, it was almost a life-safer. The placebo effect can be very useful when you need it.
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This is my first time posting to this group. I scanned past posts for references to the long-term side effects of nasal corticosteroid sprays, but only found bits and pieces here and there. It made me wonder if there is a FAQ link for this newsgroup. Anyway… I have been using a Beclomethasone spray for about two and a half years now. There have been months when I’ve stopped and now I just do two sprays in each nostril in the morning (and not in the morning and night, which I did for the first few months after starting treatment). My sinus problems have all but disappeared as a result of the treatment, and I have only noticed occasional side effects such as minor bleeding. (I am also more restless at bedtime and have irritation and pain in my eyes more often, but I don’t know if this is linked to the nasal spray). My sinus problems return within a few weeks when I stop treatment. Nonetheless, logic tells me that into the long term (and 2.5 years is getting to be long term) the use of corticosteroids — however localized and however small the dose — cannot be a good thing. A relative has been strongly encouraging me to look into homeopathy. My sinusitis is clearly brought on by allergic rhinitis, and he says that his similar problems were cleared within a few months of beginning a homeopathic cure. I tried allergy shots for a few years; they seemed to help somewhat but when I went to get tested for allergies again my reactions were just as strong as before… So I guess my question is in two parts: 1. Where can I get reliable information (ie. not drug-company releases or press reports distilled from drug-company releases) about the longer term effects of nasal corticosteroid sprays? 2. How useful is homeopathy in treating allergic rhinitis? Thanks in advance for all your comments. Nathan Morrow Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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