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chat next week 8:30, normal IOP, steroids

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On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 02:51:14 -0400, cute_blue_bug <cute_blue_…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Lay off, know-it-all. How can you ASSume to know what a Dr. can or can’t do >before he does it? Believe it or not, you aren’t God and you don’t know the >future. Geeze…

Well, Cute One, one certainly doesn’t need to be a god to predict what an MD is going to do; they’re some of the most predictable creatures of habit there are.  But, in any case, *I* didn’t attempt to *predict* anything in my post; I just stated the fact that neither *MDs* nor anyone else can tell what *would’ve* occurred, had treatment not been applied. Ray

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:36:24 -0400, tin___man <tin___…@hotmail.com> wrote: ……….. >Maybe he is going to give them some useful, general information rather than >picking on the ng’s comment, RAY….

He’s already given us a line.  There is no "useful, general information" that will provide what he has advertised here. Ray

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No one said he was going to tell people who come to the chat what their safe pressure was, if he could that then that would be amazing. V – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -cute_blue_bug wrote in message <377B0FE2.91028…@hotmail.com>… >Lay off, know-it-all. How can you ASSume to know what a Dr. can or can’t do >before he does it? Believe it or not, you aren’t God and you don’t know the >future. Geeze… >"Raymond A. Chamberlin" wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:36:24 -0400, tin___man <tin___…@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> ……….. >> >Maybe he is going to give them some useful, general information rather than >> >picking on the ng’s comment, RAY…. >> He’s already given us a line.  There is no "useful, general >> information" that will provide what he has advertised here. >> Ray

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On Sun, 04 Jul 1999 09:18:01 -0400, " H . E R O L" <GoLeaf…@sprint.ca> wrote: >Raymond A. Chamberlin wrote: >> I just stated the fact that neither *MDs* nor anyone else can tell what >> *would’ve* occurred, had treatment not been applied. >Therefore, it is better to not initiate any treatment.  Just wait and see how >much damage occurs, then deal with it. >Why  have things such as Chemotherapy,Radiation therapy, MRI’s, CT’s, Insulin, >ECG’s, stethoscopes, etc… >I’d rather take a medication/or undergo a procedure that by lowering my IOP, has >some therapeutic value (no matter how small), than not lowering the IOP at all.

Well, when the MDs say, "Ya gotta take this snake oil, ’cause we don’t know any *other* way ta fix whatcha got," ya know they ain’t come very far from their ancestors who beat tom-toms to keep the sun up. . .’cause they di’n't know any other way ta do it.  Even though the raised IOP is a result, not a cause — hey, if we can reduce it, it shows we have our hearts in the right place, right?  (Won’t say where are brains are.) Ray

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Hi Gang! Just a reminder that next week the CHAT will be starting at 8:30pm Eastern Time.  Another reminder that starting July 1st we will be changing the time. I will be updating the site with the schedule and will post here to remind people. This week Dr. Karl Siebert joined the group.   We discussed different pressures for different types of people. Dr. Karl explained that the "normal" range of pressure is considered  to be 10-21mm Hg. This means that 95% of "normal" people will have that pressure. However, 5% will have it lower or higher, and what we try to do in glaucoma treatment is find a "safe" pressure for everyone  regardless of the "normal" IOP. We also touched on steroids and glaucoma.  On a side note the next Searchlight archive has an article on the use of meds including steroids and glaucoma.  I am working on it now and it should be updated at the site within 2 weeks. Thanks! Viv — ————————————————————————— ————- Vivian Werner Webmaster webmas…@wills-glaucoma.org http://wills-glaucoma.org Join the CHAT…Wednesdays ————————————————————————— ———–

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Lay off, know-it-all. How can you ASSume to know what a Dr. can or can’t do before he does it? Believe it or not, you aren’t God and you don’t know the future. Geeze… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Raymond A. Chamberlin" wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:36:24 -0400, tin___man <tin___…@hotmail.com> > wrote: > ……….. > >Maybe he is going to give them some useful, general information rather than > >picking on the ng’s comment, RAY…. > He’s already given us a line.  There is no "useful, general > information" that will provide what he has advertised here. > Ray

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"Raymond A. Chamberlin" wrote: > >"normal" range of pressure is considered  to be 10-21mm Hg. This means = > >that 95% of "normal" people will have that pressure. However, 5% will = > >have it lower or higher, and what we try to do in glaucoma treatment is = > >find a "safe" pressure for everyone  regardless of the "normal" IOP. > Ah yes, and exactly *how* is he going to tell what each person’s > "safe" pressure is (I assume that which stops progression of damage?)? > There’s absolutely *no* way he can determine that. > Ray > ……..

Maybe he is going to give them some useful, general information rather than picking on the ng’s comment, RAY….

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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:13:21 -0400, "Vivian Werner" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<webmas…@wills-glaucoma.org> wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >——=_NextPart_000_0093_01BEBEF3.5A9B2540 >Content-Type: text/plain; >    charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hi Gang! >Just a reminder that next week the CHAT will be starting at 8:30pm = >Eastern Time.  Another reminder that starting July 1st we will be = >changing the time. I will be updating the site with the schedule and = >will post here to remind people. >This week Dr. Karl Siebert joined the group.   We discussed different = >pressures for different types of people. Dr. Karl explained that the = >"normal" range of pressure is considered  to be 10-21mm Hg. This means = >that 95% of "normal" people will have that pressure. However, 5% will = >have it lower or higher, and what we try to do in glaucoma treatment is = >find a "safe" pressure for everyone  regardless of the "normal" IOP.

Ah yes, and exactly *how* is he going to tell what each person’s "safe" pressure is (I assume that which stops progression of damage?)? There’s absolutely *no* way he can determine that. Ray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -……….

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Raymond A. Chamberlin wrote: > I just stated the fact that neither *MDs* nor anyone else can tell what > *would’ve* occurred, had treatment not been applied.

Therefore, it is better to not initiate any treatment.  Just wait and see how much damage occurs, then deal with it. Why  have things such as Chemotherapy,Radiation therapy, MRI’s, CT’s, Insulin, ECG’s, stethoscopes, etc… I’d rather take a medication/or undergo a procedure that by lowering my IOP, has some therapeutic value (no matter how small), than not lowering the IOP at all. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Haldun Erol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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