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johnc…@flash.net wrote: >    If pot helps us then how???And is one better than another????

Although there is anectdotal evidence of pot helping with various MS problems (primarily pain), the risk (i.e. getting thrown in jail) is probably not worth the benefit at this point.  "The Drug Problem" has become a big political whoop-de-do, so people tend to forget about the difference between recreational drug use and medicinal.  30 years ago there were just as many people smoking pot and it wasn’t percieved as the major problem that it is today.  (IMHO "The Drug Problem" in the US is really a symptom of the underclass problem which no-one seems to want (or know how) to solve.)  In any case, pot is no longer percieved as relatively harmless and could get you into a lot of trouble.  On the other hand, if the throw you in jail then they have to pay for your medical treatment. Z +————————————————————————+ + Carolyn C. Zimmer       | "I’ve been warped by the rain,               | + Duluth, GA              |  driven by the snow, I’m drunk and dirty,    | + cczim…@mindspring.com |  don’t you know, But I’m still…willin’"    | + STANDARD DISCLAIMER     |                               Lowell George  | +————————————————————————+

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On 27 Feb 1997 10:01:43 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com wrote: >In article <33131bc0.49272…@news2.ibm.net>, k…@ix.netcom.com (Kate Murphy) writes: >>Marinol kept my nausea and vomiting just at bay through 7 months of >>weekly chemo >How did you get a doctor to give it to you and where on earth did you get it filled? >Kathi

My oncologist prescribed the marinol.  Getting the prescription filled was a nightmare.  I naively and foolishly believed that you can just take the prescription to a drug store and get it filled.  Very wrong. I went to the oncologists and got my weekly chemo shot.  It was taking about 2 hours post chemo before the bad nausea set in.  I drove out to my regular drugstore which didn’t have it and couldn’t get it.  A very sweet pharmacist called every drug store in the city before she found the one that had it.  It is very expensive and totally federally controlled. Needless to say, I was too sick to keep it down that week. As an aside, I have discovered since how important pre-medication is when you expect side-effects.  My second oncologist always gave me anti-nausea drugs first and the whole procedure was much more comfortable. Kate M. For more information about MS, the following web sites will point the way: http://aspin.asu.edu/msnews http://www.helsinki.fi/~ahalko/ms.html http://www.infosci.org

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In article <33131bc0.49272…@news2.ibm.net>, k…@ix.netcom.com (Kate Murphy) writes: >Marinol kept my nausea and vomiting just at bay through 7 months of >weekly chemo — the real thing would have been much more effective, >but I didn’t have the courage to purchase and use an illegal >substance.  

How did you get a doctor to give it to you and where on earth did you get it filled? Kathi

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Gerry, I’m curious!  Can you dictate things like the little grin constructed with ascii characters?  My hands are getting worse and worse; next computer needs to be fast enough to run that program. Marilyn Chilcote Oakland, CA   510 763-1936 330 Park View Terr #310, Oakland, CA 94610

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Josiah I believe there was a case last year of a man being found with 8oz (dealer quantity) of canabis, who was completely absolved of his ??crime !!?? due to his MS. I have to say i was very pleased at this outcome as I have smoked pot for many years long b4 my MS, but have recently come to rely on it as medication for my hand tremors, bad moods, depresion and muscle fatigue. I would recomend it to anyone and believe whole harted thet it should be legalized, apart from anything else it is a great way to relax. I would love to hear from others on this subject Nick ni…@mistral.co.uk

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pot has never worked for the and I did inhale [:-). It could not the as strong as other medications willingly dispensed to us. Gerry Gerald Gold Department of Anthropology York University, North York, Ontario M3J 1K3 CANADA tel. 416 736 2100 [Th. 11-3:00 except for a lunch break] res. 416-225-8760 [early evening only] Dictated entirely with IBM VoiceType Dictation under OS/2

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Hey, I never said pot was an "evil weed", nor did I suggest you shouldn’t do what you want to do.  just stated that there is not yet any scientific evidence that it helps people with MS….lots of anecdotal evidence, perhaps, but there’s a BIG difference between anecdote and science, no matter what the drug/medicine/treatment under consideration.  If you have access, like it, feel it helps….do it.  Just be careful not to get caught.  Since it still is illegal, the penalties may be high.  Ann

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Elizabeth Ann Woldt (ewo…@omnifest.uwm.edu) writes: > There is not yet any scientific evidence that pot will help with MS at all. > Some people claim it helps with pain relief.  The other uses for pot are for > AIDS patients — seems to increase their appetite (and also deal with pain), > and for poeple with glaucoma…  Ann

I expect that somewhere along the line, the medical community may agree that pot improves urine retention problems in some individuals.

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On 25 Feb 1997 08:54:18 -0600, ewo…@omnifest.uwm.edu (Elizabeth Ann Woldt) wrote: >Hey, I never said pot was an "evil weed", nor did I suggest you shouldn’t do >what you want to do.  just stated that there is not yet any scientific >evidence that it helps people with MS….lots of anecdotal evidence, perhaps, >but there’s a BIG difference between anecdote and science, no matter what the >drug/medicine/treatment under consideration.

It is almost impossible to get good scientific evidence when the government forbids the use of marijuana.  Some studies have been funded, but so far it has been impossible to get the legal drug from the government so that the studies can go forth. There are very dangerous, very addictive drugs available right now. Their use is monitored carefully, but would we want to be without morphine or demerol? There are extensive searches throughout the world by the drug companies for plant materials that may have medical use.  (My life was probably saved by taxol, which is a plant derivative.)  Yet, we refuse to look objectively at an existing plant and study its potential medical use. I don’t know if marijuana would help my MS, but I do know that it would help me through chemotherapy.  Lots of people give up on their chemo because the nausea and vomiting is just too much to bear. Marinol kept my nausea and vomiting just at bay through 7 months of weekly chemo — the real thing would have been much more effective, but I didn’t have the courage to purchase and use an illegal substance.   Kate M. For more information about MS, the following web sites will point the way: http://aspin.asu.edu/msnews http://www.helsinki.fi/~ahalko/ms.html http://www.infosci.org

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Hi Bob This is a response to phatb…@lynx.bc.ca (bob davidson) who wrote: <snip> > it has never been said pot actually helps ms at all by any > medical scientific study,, >   from my own use and investigation <snip>

Some of the symptoms you list are ones where research done for conditions other than MS have demonstrated benefits. Its obvious that pot may be helpful (for "symptom relief and management") to some people with MS – the anecdotal evidence is overwhelming and pretty damn consistent. Here in the UK there have been a number of court cases in which people with MS using pot to help their lot were prosecuted. More recently an appeal was lodged by one defendant on medical grounds. I do not know the outcome of that case, but it illustrates the major problem with pot. If this therapy is to be used safely and without fear it needs the closer attention of the medical community. Pot is another small thing that may help *some* people with MS. And one where the potential dangers are quite well understood. The fact it just gives me a headache and makes me feel sick is besides the point. Regards, Josiah. ————————————————— The voice of honest indignation is the voice of God William Blake. The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, 1790-93

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This is a response to ewo…@omnifest.uwm.edu (Elizabeth Ann Woldt) who wrote: >There is not yet any scientific evidence that pot will help with MS at all.

Hmmm. What’s evidence? When is enough, enough? :-) >Some people claim it helps with pain relief.  The other uses for pot are for >AIDS patients — seems to increase their appetite (and also deal with pain), >and for poeple with glaucoma

Perhaps not, but there is a lot of scientific and anecdotal evidence it can be used to good effect for the relief of symptoms for many other conditions. It has been found to be helpful by many MSers for dealing with similar symptoms. You mentioned pain control and appetite. The main stumbling blocks to its sanctioned use in therapy are:  - legal  - the long term risks associated with heavy usage But, I don’t think there can be any argument that it can help some MSers. It is part of the therapeutic jigsaw for some. And unlike many drug therapies the risks are reasonably well understood. BTW, I do not use it – it disagrees with me. Regards, Josiah —————————– Pain has an element of blank; It cannot recollect When it began, or if there were A day when it was not. Emily Dickinson

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        If pot helps us then how???And is one better than another????

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There is not yet any scientific evidence that pot will help with MS at all. Some people claim it helps with pain relief.  The other uses for pot are for AIDS patients — seems to increase their appetite (and also deal with pain), and for poeple with glaucoma…  Ann

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In article <5es395$…@omnifest.uwm.edu>, ewo…@omnifest.uwm.edu (Elizabeth Ann Woldt) wrote: > There is not yet any scientific evidence that pot will help with MS at all. > Some people claim it helps with pain relief.  The other uses for pot are for > AIDS patients — seems to increase their appetite (and also deal with pain), > and for poeple with glaucoma…  Ann

   i have heard from many msers who use pot ,,that it helps with different ms symptoms,,it has never been said pot actually helps ms at all by any medical scientific study,,    from my own use and investigation into marijuana’s wide use by msers for ms i have tabled my own theory!   pot can help with bladder retention,,it relaxes your muscles   pot helps to ease spazmz or tremmors,,it makes it easier to type for me   pot increases your appetite,,when your so depressed you cant eat   pot can help with depression,,pot’s clinical definition is a EUPHORIC drug   pot helps with pain,,some say this,,however every time i wack my head stoned           i feel pain!!   pot helps with insomnia,,after you are high ,,you get tired or burnt out,,this effect is due to smoking chlorophyl,which is in pot leaves,,smoking only bud/flower helps decrease the burt out tired effect   the active drug in pot is thc,or tetra-hydra-cannibanol   it is believed by scientists chocolate reacts with the same receptors as thc,,giving you similar effects   adverse effcets from pot,,well your smokin it,,cant be good for lungs,,and has more tar/resin as tobacco,,   the stresss on your lungs from smoke inhalation is worse than tobacco,,as you hold your tokes till your brain explodes to get as much thc,,from joint   pot comes in licquid form also,,drops are placed under tongue   pot can also be put in baked goods,,cookies loafs,,   pot is prescribed in some countries for ms in pill form   pot is illegal in canada,,the fines range from 300 dollars for a possession charge ,to 1500 dollars for cultivation,of small quantities large amnounts carrry a possession for trafficking charge,,   if anyone needs any info on hemp,its uses medically and environmentally please feel free to email me   i have over 20 years experience in cultivating with soil and hydroponic techniques.  pot is not evil devil weed!!!  read the 1st page of the bible! genesis 11 ,29 bob  :^) high and happy in vancouver!!!! legalize medical marijuana

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