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HEY DOE? did you see that vitamin E is not a good thing any more. It is all over the health news, Stuff yourself with vitamins and what do you get? Heart problems that they thought Vit E protected you against. ugh another problem me janers

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janers wrote: > did you see that vitamin E is not a good thing any more.

I think Vit E is what we used to be given at home – cod liver oil? (fish oil?).  My parents never had heart problems, but we also had a garden and a large property where fruit (of various kinds) grew wild and mom used to can the stuff for winter eating. Not everyone can live that lifestyle anymore.  Fruit and vegetables cost a lot (here) and spoil quickly (I find), so those living alone have to buy daily fresh in small quantities which is more expensive or have mor spolage or eat the same choices for days and days ..;ugh 1 A doctor on another newsgroup says to eat healthier and that should do it. More plant-based foods he said. (fruits, vegetables I guess) However, he’s retired and probably had money and/or a cook ;-) And he doesn’t address chronic illnesses such as lupus, where certain foods are best not eaten. Although there’s probably lots of other choices (instead of the ones that should not be eaten) that contain the same stuff. Here is a recent overview of the usefulness of supplements from a relatively neutral source.       1: Public Health Nutr. 2004 May;7(3):407-22. Related Articles, Links A review of the epidemiological evidence for the ‘antioxidant hypothesis’. Stanner SA, Hughes J, Kelly CN, Buttriss J. British Nutrition Foundation, 52-54 High Holborn, London WC1V 6RQ, UK. s.stan…@nutrition.org.uk OBJECTIVE: The British Nutrition Foundation was recently commissioned by the Food Standards Agency to conduct a review of the government’s research programme on Antioxidants in Food. Part of this work involved an independent review of the scientific literature on the role of antioxidants in chronic disease prevention, which is presented in this paper. BACKGROUND: There is consistent evidence that diets rich in fruit and vegetables and other plant foods are associated with moderately lower overall mortality rates and lower death rates from cardiovascular disease and some types of cancer. The ‘antioxidant hypothesis’ proposes that vitamin C, vitamin E, carotenoids and other antioxidant nutrients afford protection against chronic diseases by decreasing oxidative damage. RESULTS: Although scientific rationale and observational studies have been convincing, randomised primary and secondary intervention trials have failed to show any consistent benefit from the use of antioxidant supplements on cardiovascular disease or cancer risk, with some trials even suggesting possible harm in certain subgroups. These trials have usually involved the administration of single antioxidant nutrients given at relatively high doses. The results of trials investigating the effect of a balanced combination of antioxidants at levels achievable by diet are awaited. CONCLUSION: The suggestion that antioxidant supplements can prevent chronic diseases has not been proved or consistently supported by the findings of published intervention trials. Further evidence regarding the efficacy, safety and appropriate dosage of antioxidants in relation to chronic disease is needed. The most prudent public health advice remains to increase the consumption of plant foods, as such dietary patterns are associated with reduced risk of chronic disease. Here’s some claims (random find) http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Supp/Fish_Oil.htm

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Deb wrote: > just been for my 3 monthly eye check, peripheral vision deteriorated rapidly > in my left eye, plus possible start of cataracts in same eye; been having > problems with cloudy vision and recurrent floaters on and off for a while. > so now I’ve got to see the eye specialist for further investigations,I’m > soooo fed up; rheumatologist early December, dermatologist late December and > now eyes as well, just book me a permanent bed!!!!!

( ( ( Deb ) ) ) J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: eyes >From: "Bruce" rothnie2…@hotmail.com >Date: 11/10/2004 9:47 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <euidnds2QqRacw_cRVn…@rogers.com> >"Deb" <debi.ash…@btopenworld.com> wrote in message >news:cmu32c$mov$1@titan.btinternet.com… >> just been for my 3 monthly eye check, peripheral vision deteriorated >rapidly >> in my left eye, plus possible start of cataracts in same eye; been having >> problems with cloudy vision and recurrent floaters on and off for a while. >> so now I’ve got to see the eye specialist for further investigations,I’m >> soooo fed up; rheumatologist early December, dermatologist late December >and >> now eyes as well, just book me a permanent bed!!!!! >> sorry, moaning as usual, >> deb (uk). >((( Deb ))) >The love of my life Marcia , when we were both 15 was crosseyed with >popbottle glasses now at 59 she has had 3 cataract ops.since age 30.

Which may very well be an example of  the association between oxidation / lazy eye / cataracts .. Tocopherol / vitamin E is touted as a treatment for lazy eye .. and cataracts are associated with .. oxidation / rust .. http://tinyurl.com/6u2rp Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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just been for my 3 monthly eye check, peripheral vision deteriorated rapidly in my left eye, plus possible start of cataracts in same eye; been having problems with cloudy vision and recurrent floaters on and off for a while. so now I’ve got to see the eye specialist for further investigations,I’m soooo fed up; rheumatologist early December, dermatologist late December and now eyes as well, just book me a permanent bed!!!!! sorry, moaning as usual, deb (uk).

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"Deb" <debi.ash…@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

news:cmu32c$mov$1@titan.btinternet.com… > just been for my 3 monthly eye check, peripheral vision deteriorated rapidly > in my left eye, plus possible start of cataracts in same eye; been having > problems with cloudy vision and recurrent floaters on and off for a while. > so now I’ve got to see the eye specialist for further investigations,I’m > soooo fed up; rheumatologist early December, dermatologist late December and > now eyes as well, just book me a permanent bed!!!!! > sorry, moaning as usual, > deb (uk).

((( Deb ))) The love of my life Marcia , when we were both 15 was crosseyed with popbottle glasses now at 59 she has had 3 cataract ops.since age 30. No peripheral in left eye " when I am mift at her I stand on the left"  she drops things often  " so what!! " She has Floaters and at times I say what are you looking at as her head moves. Nothing you can see she says. Sunlight is a NO,NO!!without protection of hat and expensive sun shades. We bought a 60" tv so she can see her dezine and house shows. When we walk out her hand is always on me arm , I feel good and she feels safer.  The future , well we just deal with today,worry is just a waste of now time. Deb , this is just from us to you , make of it what you will , but at our thought family here you are not ever alone. Bruce On.

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I posted a new message only one minute ago and then I realized I forgot something…. In all your posts I read about eye-problems… Are eye-problems a symptom too ? As from 1 1/2 year ago I often have extremely dry eyes, especially in the evening. It came very sudden and I still have it. I never payed much attention too it since it’s not bothering me that much and for the rest I was feeling fine… Is there a link between Lupus and dry eye problems ? Thanks ! Christiane

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<<As from 1 1/2 year ago I often have extremely dry eyes, especially in the evening. It came very sudden and I still have it. I never payed much attention too it since it’s not bothering me that much and for the rest I was feeling fine…Is there a link between Lupus and dry eye problems ?>> There are a variety of eye problems which people can get associated with lupus.  My daughter had episcleritis which is an inflammation of the outer layer of the sclerae.  Had it gotten any worse, it would have progressed to scleritis, which is a much more significant condition.   There is also uveitis which is which is an inflammation of the uveal tract or middle layer of the eye which includes the iris, lens and muscles surrounding the lens.  This is a very serious eye condition which left untreated can cause blindness.  If the inflammation is limited to the iris, it’s called iritis. Lupus doesn’t directly cause things like glaucoma or cataracts, but these conditions can be induced by corticosteroid use.   People with lupus who have vasculitis can get damage to the retina called retinal vasculitis.  If the optic nerve is inflammed from the effects of CNS lupus, they can get optic neuritis.  Both of these conditions can also threaten the eyesight if left untreated.   If the individual has discoid lupus, it can affect the conjunctiva causing scarring and inflammation.   Finally, some people with lupus do also have problems with dry eyes.  This may be related to Sjogren’s syndrome, or the dry eyes can be caused by scarring caused by chronic conjunctivitis.   None of these conditions are unique to lupus.  These things can happen with a variety of autoimmune diseases besides lupus.  Still, the possible range of problems should indicate to you why it’s a good idea for anyone with lupus to have regular followup with an ophthamologist.  How often that followup should be depends on the individual case.   Definitely though, if you have dry eyes, this is something that should be checked into. Excessively dry eyes can cause damage to the cornea over time. Since you have lupus, it’s wise to be tested for Sjogren’s syndrome.  This can be done symptomatically, through blood tests such as anti-RO(SSA) and anti-SSB (the former is more common with secondary Sjogrens), and biopsy such as of the lip.  Furthermore, you would need a good dry eye workup which should include a Schirmers both with and without anesthetic eye drops.  We discovered the hard way that not all doctors are knowledgeable about how to do an appropriate dry eye workup, so make sure you go to one who understands Sjogrens.   Of the various tests for dry eyes, the Schirmers is probably the most common. It’s done by putting special strips of paper under the eyelids for 5 minutes…first with no anesthetic eye drops.  This is naturally irritating to the eyes and will make most people’s eyes water.  After 5 minutes, they will remove the strips and compare the result to a chart.  A score of 5 or less under these conditions is indicative of severe dryness (10 is normal).  This test measures your eyes’ ability to make tears.   After that, they instill anesthetic eye drops, dry the conjunctiva off a bit, then repeat the test, again for 5 minutes.  With the eye drops there is no sense of irritation to the eyes, so what they’re measuring is how much fluid is in the eyes on a regular basis. My son had these tests for the second time last week. The first time he was tested he had 0’s on both tests.  This second time he had 2 and 5 on the first test without anesthetic eye drops, and 0’s on the one with.  He’s rated as having very severe dryness and had to have punctal plugs put in which has helped him quite a bit (that is the ophthalmologist put a little bit of silicone into the tear duct in the inner corners of his eyes to plug it up and keep his tears from draining away totally).  We’re not sure yet if he has Sjogrens, though.  The ophthalmologists say that the dryness may have been caused by scarring from his chronic conjunctivitis.  We’ll hopefully find out more after his biopsy next month. Anyway, there are other tests for dryness which should also be done.  If you wish more information on those, I’ll get the rest of the information from the ophthalmologist next time we go there and post it. Sandra

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In article <8a66c0$4k…@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Chris Wijma <cwi…@mindspring.com> writes >I posted a new message only one minute ago and then I realized I forgot >something….

We all do that! >In all your posts I read about eye-problems… >Are eye-problems a symptom too ? >As from 1 1/2 year ago I often have extremely dry eyes, especially in the >evening. It came very sudden and I still have it. I never payed much >attention too it since it’s not bothering me that much and for the rest I >was feeling fine… >Is there a link between Lupus and dry eye problems ?

Yes! It can also be caused by Sjogren’s Syndrome, which you can get either in its own right or as a spin-off from Lupus.  Once your Dr starts to look for it, there are some specific tests. — Andy For Austrian philately: <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps/> For Lupus: <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus/> For my other interests: <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/>

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